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is orientation based on the speaker or the listener? that is, if you have s.t. on your right cheek, it it your right or mine? does 'in front' and 'behind' depend on whether you're looking up or down at s.t.? what effect does living in a 3-D world have on spatial vocab? if you're upside-down and I say "look up", which direction is it? 
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== Concepts ==
  
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do we have cardinal directions, left/right, to/from Hometree or some sacred spot, or some combination? if s.o. uses gestures in retelling an event, can you tell where they were standing at the time just from that?
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{{lep|n=left / right
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|priority=C
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|comments=Is orientation based on the speaker or the listener? that is, if you have s.t. on your right cheek, it it your right or mine? When someone talks about two people that stood side by side.  Does a narrator use "left" an "right" from the view of the subject or object or from an external point(in most cases his own position) wich might be the same over several sentences? This depends a lot on cultural axioms!
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are the same demonstratives used for visible and non-visible objects?
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{{lep|n=spatial awareness
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|priority=C
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|comments=what effect does living in a 3-D world have on spatial vocab? if you're upside-down and I say "look up", which direction is it?
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adpositions: there should probably be some not-too-difficult ways in which they do not map one-to-one with English. "On" meaning "on a surface", for example, even if on the underside, vs. "on top of", etc, but perhaps more alien. What if the object is upside down, does the locative adp. change?
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{{lep|n=special directions
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|priority=B
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|comments=cardinal directions, left/right, to/from Hometree or some sacred spot, or some combination? if s.o. uses gestures in retelling an event, can you tell where they were standing at the time just from that?
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"height" is both tallness and altitude in English. any reason for it to be in Na'vi?
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{{lep|n=direction
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|priority=B
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|ex1=Which way did it go?
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|ex2=Which direction to I do I turn.
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|comments=There may be some idiom for this?
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a word for 'across from', 'the opposite bank/shore', etc.
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{{lep|n=height
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|priority=B
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Korean tight fit vs. mere contact.
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|comments="height" is both tallness and altitude in English. any reason for it to be in Na'vi? (In German "tallness" is "Größe" (= 'bigness'), but "altitude" is "Höhe" (= height).
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{{lep|n=right, righthand
 
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|ex1=Sit right of the Tsahik.
 
 
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{{lep|n=left
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{{lep|n=firm 'at, on, in'
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|priority=A
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|priority=C
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|comments=Korean tight fit vs. mere contact.
 
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{{lep|n=inside
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{{lep|n=contain, container
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|comments=Opposite of '''wrrpa'''.
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|comments=constructible from "inside"?
 
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== Local Adpositions ==
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{{lep|n=high
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{{lep|n=behind
 
 
|priority=A
 
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|ex1=(E) The Nantang is behind this tree.
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|comments=discrete word referring to stature?
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|ex2=(D) Der Viperwolf ist hinter diesem Baum.
 
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|ex3=(L) ***lupus post arborem est.
 
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|comments=location; but also the movement "to the place behind of" is required
 
 
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{{lep|n=around (movement)
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{{lep|n=low
 
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|ex1=(E) He runs around the tree.
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|comments=discrete word referring to stature?
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|ex2=(D) Er rennt um den Baum herum.
 
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|ex3=(L) Circa/circum arborem currit.
 
 
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{{lep|n=at, close to
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{{lep|n=vertical, up-and-down
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|priority=B
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|priority=C
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|ex1=Jake is sitting at the campfire.
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|comments=This and ''horizontal'' seem very useful for '''sute a makto ayikranit'''.  Might make most sense as adverbs and limit them to motion verbs.
 
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{{lep|n=into
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{{lep|n=horizontal, side-to-side
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|priority=B
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|ex1=He walks into the forest.
 
 
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{{lep|n=through
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== Local Adpositions ==
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{{lep|n=across from
 
|priority=A
 
|priority=A
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|ex1=He came to us through the forest.
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|ex1=He came to us across from the ocean.
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|comments=Might intersect with "between," a sort of dual "through."
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|comments=
 
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{{lep|n=down, down from
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{{lep|n=shape following
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|priority=A
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|priority=C
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|ex1=(E) He jumps down/from? the tree.
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|comments="parallel things; a twiner plant that grows on a trunk; a path that follows a stream; a fruit that is hold by leaves that form a goblet; clothes that fit well" [http://forum.learnnavi.org/vocabulary-expansion/local-adpositions/]
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|ex2=(D) Er springt vom Baum herunter.
 
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|ex3=(L) De arbore saltat.
 
 
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{{lep|n=above
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{{lep|n=the inner side of a seperating (relativly thin) shape
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|priority=A
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|ex1=These rocks float above the clouds!
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|ex1=behind the wall
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|ex2=under the cloth
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|ex3=walk between two rows of guards
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|comments=wich side is meant depends heavily on the context
 
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{{lep|n=around, past
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{{lep|n=overlapping/intersect
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|priority=A
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|ex1=They went around the forest.
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|ex1=the mine was expanded into our territory
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|ex2=(D) Sie gingen um den Wald herum. = Sie umgingen den Wald.
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|ex2=the segments of a chain holds together because the intersect each other
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|ex3=(L) Praeter silvam ierunt.
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|comments="movement, passing by a place, not entering it, but moving around it"
 
 
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{{lep|n=shape following
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{{lep|n=beyond, past
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|comments="parallel things; a twiner plant that grows on a trunk; a path that follows a stream; a fruit that is hold by leaves that form a goblet; clothes that fit well" [http://forum.learnnavi.org/vocabulary-expansion/local-adpositions/]
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|ex1=Go past the tree over there.
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|ex2=They have walked beyond that hill.
 
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Lexical Expansion Project

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Concepts

left / right (C)

Is orientation based on the speaker or the listener? that is, if you have s.t. on your right cheek, it it your right or mine? When someone talks about two people that stood side by side. Does a narrator use "left" an "right" from the view of the subject or object or from an external point(in most cases his own position) wich might be the same over several sentences? This depends a lot on cultural axioms!

spatial awareness (C)

what effect does living in a 3-D world have on spatial vocab? if you're upside-down and I say "look up", which direction is it?

special directions (B)

cardinal directions, left/right, to/from Hometree or some sacred spot, or some combination? if s.o. uses gestures in retelling an event, can you tell where they were standing at the time just from that?

direction (B)

Which way did it go?
Which direction to I do I turn.
There may be some idiom for this?

height (B)

"height" is both tallness and altitude in English. any reason for it to be in Na'vi? (In German "tallness" is "Größe" (= 'bigness'), but "altitude" is "Höhe" (= height).

firm 'at, on, in' (C)

Korean tight fit vs. mere contact.

north, south, east, west (C)

Will Na'vi even have these cardinal directions? On the other hand, they do seem ubiquitous for Humans, often relating to the movements of the sun.

contain, container (B)

constructible from "inside"?

high (A)

discrete word referring to stature?

low (A)

discrete word referring to stature?

vertical, up-and-down (C)

This and horizontal seem very useful for sute a makto ayikranit. Might make most sense as adverbs and limit them to motion verbs.

horizontal, side-to-side (C)

Local Adpositions

across from (A)

He came to us across from the ocean.

shape following (C)

"parallel things; a twiner plant that grows on a trunk; a path that follows a stream; a fruit that is hold by leaves that form a goblet; clothes that fit well" [1]

the inner side of a seperating (relativly thin) shape (C)

behind the wall
under the cloth
walk between two rows of guards
wich side is meant depends heavily on the context

overlapping/intersect (C)

the mine was expanded into our territory
the segments of a chain holds together because the intersect each other

beyond, past (B)

Go past the tree over there.
They have walked beyond that hill.
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